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Aragorn7
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WpisWysłany: 23-11-2016 13:25    Temat wpisu: Odpowiedz z cytatem

Na początek przywołując temat-zapytanie wątku to dodam, że początkowo Nerdanela nazywana była Istarnie.
Cytat:
The text then continues as in LQ $47 (p. 185). - The name
Nerdanel of Feanor's wife was an emendation: the original
name as typed was Istarnie.


Saundarya napisał(a) (zobacz wpis):
...
Cytat:
Owszem była przeciwna całej eskapadzie, zresztą początkiem rozejścia ich dróg* był jej stosunek do Indis.

*znowu sobie pozwoliłam ._.

Podałbyś konkretny cytat? Wierzę Ci oczywiście na słowo, ale bardzo chciałabym go zobaczyć. Nerdanela mówiła wówczas coś konkretnego, czy było po prostu napisane, że była przeciwna?


Znalazłem to:

Cytat:
17. In the account of the marriage of Finwe and Indis in the present
work (p. 238) there is no mention of this estrangement, or at least
separation. In the final work on Chapter 6 of the Quenta
Silmarillion, however, it is implied that Indis did not depart with
Finwe to Formenos, because it is told that Feanor's wife Nerdanel
would not go with him into banishment and 'asked leave to abide
with Indis' (p. 279, $53d).


Cytat:
$53c Therefore Mandos said to him: 'Thou speakest of
thraldom. If thraldom it be, thou canst not escape it. For
Manwe is King of Arda, and not of Aman only. And this deed
was unlawful, whether in Aman or not in Aman. Though more
insolent in Aman, for it is a hallowed land. Therefore this doom
is now made: for twelve years thou shalt leave Tuna where this
threat was uttered. In that time take counsel with thyself, and
remember who and what thou art. But after that time this
matter shall be set in peace and held redressed, if others will
release thee.'
$53d Then Fingolfin rose and said: 'I will release my
brother.' But Feanor spoke no word in answer; and when he
had stood silent before the Valar for a while, he turned and left
the council and departed from Valmar. At once he returned to
Tuna, and before the term of seven days that was set, he
gathered his goods and his treasures and left the city and went
far away. With him went his sons, and Finwe his father, who
would not be parted from him, in fault or guiltless, and some
others also of the Noldor. But Nerdanel would not go with him,
and she asked leave to abide with Indis, whom she had ever
esteemed, though this had been little to the liking of Feanor.


i dalej:

Cytat:
Later, as Feanor became more and more fell and violent, and
rebelled against the Valar, Nerdanel, after long endeavouring
to change his mood, became estranged. (Her kin were devoted
to Aule, who counselled her father to take no part in the rebellion.
'It will in the end only lead Feanor and all your children to
death.') She retired to her father's house; but when it became
clear that Feanor and his sons would leave Valinor for ever, she
came to him before the host started on its northward march,
and begged that Feanor should leave her the two youngest, the
twins, or one at least of them. He replied: 'Were you a true wife,
as you had been till cozened by Aule, you would keep all of
them, for you would come with us. If you desert me, you desert
also all of our children. For they are determined to go with their
father.' Then Nerdanel was angry and she answered: 'You will
not keep all of them. One at least will never set foot on Middleearth.'
'Take your evil omens to the Valar who will delight in
them,' said Feanor. 'I defy them'. So they parted.
Now it is told how Feanor stole the ships of the Teleri, and
breaking faith with Fingolfin and with those faithful to him
sailed away in them to Middle-earth, leaving the rest of his host
to make their way on foot with great travail and loss.
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